Pants aren't black. Instead, a charcoal color nowhere near typical black. They meet my need for light repairman duty. At some point, the knees will tear through, but I'd rather have that than thicker work pants. One suggestion: The right hip pocket has a great separate pocket that I keep my razor knife. Suggest the left pocket have same to put other tools. The thigh-area cargo pockets aren't deep enough to hold screwdrivers etc (but that's the same issue for me on any cargo pant, regardless of brand). Good comfort pants, I wear them every day full-time for work.
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