I am a beginner/intermediate (mostly indoor) climber and these have been the 'Goldilocks' of climbing shoes. There is room for a little stretch, but they are just snug enough to where my toes aren't curled up against the front of the shoe, and I can walk around in them with no problem. They have an excellent grip and make me feel very confident on the wall. I'm on my 3rd pair and will definitely choose these again next time around. I wear a size 9.5W athletic shoe and size 41 for these.
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